tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post4261639012585600756..comments2024-03-28T08:40:42.144-04:00Comments on Daniel Solis: Wine Collector Auction Game [In the Lab]Daniel Solishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07683491911441126187noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-87075519432140897082013-04-04T09:13:12.326-04:002013-04-04T09:13:12.326-04:00Good point about poker chips being used. There are...Good point about poker chips being used. There are probably more poker chips in people's homes now than play money. I like auction games.Quirkativehttp://twitter.com/Quirkativenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-18292636581108758522012-04-22T08:17:48.721-04:002012-04-22T08:17:48.721-04:00I guess my hesitance to take that direction is tha...I guess my hesitance to take that direction is that it's already been done. Part of what interests me about this current direction is that deduction is possible. Perhaps there needs to be a broader range of values among the vineyards – or simply more cards in each vineyard – but making the values random would lose the deductive elements of gameplay.DanielSolisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-49920478695630396042012-04-21T17:46:28.424-04:002012-04-21T17:46:28.424-04:00It's interesting, but as someone has mentioned...It's interesting, but as someone has mentioned elsewhere, it would get easy to game. What if there was some sort of randomized market involved? Every turn, roll a die, if it comes up "merlot," merlots are more expensive that turn? And then the individual bottles have mods instead of set values? I don't know...it's definitely an idea with some value.Parker D Hicksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-88110337110552753822012-04-20T21:55:15.215-04:002012-04-20T21:55:15.215-04:00Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. Do you think do...Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. Do you think doing this double-sided card thing is an interesting direction then? Players definitely have more information about the deck this way.DanielSolisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-69841958155598101542012-04-20T21:52:35.425-04:002012-04-20T21:52:35.425-04:00There are two different decks of cards-- one with ...There are two different decks of cards-- one with values, ranging from "FORGERY" to $40M or something ludicrous like that, the other postcard-sized prints from the Art Institute of Chicago collection. There's also a board, with pawns that you move around, which paces the game with spaces that say "Museum Auction", "Collection Auction", "Draw a Value Card," etc. Every time there's a museum auction, you draw a painting and a value card (sight unseen) and go for the auction. Every time you draw a value card, you have to assign it to one of the paintings in your private collection--even if it's a "FORGERY."<br /><br />The benefit your variety has is that it's not truly random and enable some gaming of the system. Because the values are drawn with no respect to the painting on the block, Masterpiece becomes a game of hedging bets and bluffing.Parker D Hicksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-47386530054430409462012-04-20T08:41:51.525-04:002012-04-20T08:41:51.525-04:00How does it randomly distribute values?How does it randomly distribute values?DanielSolisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-59266613209832753692012-04-19T21:18:38.953-04:002012-04-19T21:18:38.953-04:00Have you ever played Masterpiece? It's an art...Have you ever played Masterpiece? It's an art auction game which deals with the same imperfect knowledge problem, but the values are distributed randomly. Theoretically that randomness represents the fickle nature of public taste--but there were 2-4 "FORGERY" cards mixed in with all the value cards.Parker D Hicksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-20239771688533163962012-04-19T12:55:02.833-04:002012-04-19T12:55:02.833-04:00Oh, perhaps nerf the bonus a bit? "Score X po...Oh, perhaps nerf the bonus a bit? "Score X points if you have the most Y."DanielSolisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-54114793545829924942012-04-19T10:13:53.558-04:002012-04-19T10:13:53.558-04:00Card counters already have a slight edge once peop...Card counters already have a slight edge once people start opening bottles.Mark Sherrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-71012991416582056042012-04-19T09:12:58.348-04:002012-04-19T09:12:58.348-04:00Hm... So keep the variety entirely secret? Hm... D...Hm... So keep the variety entirely secret? Hm... Definitely makes Mad for Merlot more interested in opening bottles than Pulled by Pinot.DanielSolisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-67090200957968250572012-04-19T08:58:37.091-04:002012-04-19T08:58:37.091-04:00I'm concerned that knowing the varietal throws...I'm concerned that knowing the varietal throws off the "reveal" mechanic, since you can tell which cards are likely (or guaranteed) to increase in value if you open them. For instance, you should never open a Merlot unless you're really desperate, since it will just decrease your score.Mark Sherrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-81882564314075366262012-04-19T08:06:48.968-04:002012-04-19T08:06:48.968-04:00Yes, the varieties and their distribution are show...Yes, the varieties and their distribution are shown on the estimated value side. I don't mind Merlot, but I figured there ought to be a low-value variety paired with a player role that gets high value from it. That led to the rest of the varieties being relatively higher and higher value, but awarding fewer bonus points to that role.DanielSolisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1818073417709561773.post-69815448945708730522012-04-18T22:52:36.455-04:002012-04-18T22:52:36.455-04:00Are the grape varietals shown on the estimated val...Are the grape varietals shown on the estimated value side? Also, why do you hate merlot?Mark Sherrynoreply@blogger.com